vehicles some questions

[pfaghe]

hello again

I'm starting to use some vehicles, some questions:

1) vehicles concealed or something similar
on pag. 29 I see 2 different tables Modifiers to HE fire and AT

target "obscured" and target "concealed" and again outside tables there is "hull down"

what they are meaning? is all the same? Is there any rule to use to understand if a tank OR ONE OF HIS SIDE is obscured/concealed/hull down? for example 75% like ofr hard cover?

2) HE fire
I red about HE fire is an AT fire not against any armored target and resolved in C2 for a short stick, pag 25 infantry antitank weapons

Is it good also for modern sci-fi? we don't use grnades C3 like WWII but modern fragmentation one C4. Is the same for AT fire on terrain or infantry? one more to C3?
Now there isn't any HE shell in the weapons examples, do you cover in the future some specifically HE weapons or are these too strong in FL?

3) vehicle activation and occupants
I need some more example here. I have my sdkfz moving in the prevoius activation and inside I have some men. I want to move the vehicle, disenbark and fire or cc immediately with the men and start moving again the vehicle.
I roll 3 dices for the group (sdkfz and men) and I have 3 actions each.
I can move the sdkfz (1 action), stop it (1 action). Now I want dismount the men and after that with the last action move again the sdkfz (I think is this one that you mean, stop and start or stop fire and start when you speak about "1 action to stop a vehicle during the activation")
The men have also 3 actions, so with te first dismounting (short) and after that they can move, charge, etc 2 action left, here no problem

Can I dismounting, fire and mounting in the same activation?
Can I stop a vehicle moving with the first action, dismounting the men, fire, mounting again and after that start moving away the vehicle?

at the end all the questions here mean: it's like a group move with the leader that stop the normal order of actions or not?

different question here: can I leap over a side or dismounting before stop, while the vehicle is moving?

4) firing with small arms if the vehicle is moving.
If my vehicle fire using a granedes launcher, what i have to do? I use the quality of the man/vehicle without any malus?

thanks again for the patience.
Paolo

[richjones]

Hi
1/ obscured is when you can see some of the vehicle and some is covered by some terrain ... concealed would be where you can 'see' the vehicle but it is not clear (think of a tank behind a bit of country hedge row or light screen of trees, or even covered in camo netting etc) - for game purposes I suppose it is the same thing in a way.
Hull down is an 'army term' where a turreted fighting vehicle (tank) is either dug in or behind a hill etc so that ONLY the turret is showing to the enemy.
2/ Use AT rounds against infantry etc as c3 grenade. HE fire use as a c3 or c4 grenade depending on size ... bigger HE is covered in future supplements but often are very strong ... for now if you want to use it in sci fi etc use c4 at short, c3 at medium and long and then c1 up to 2xl.
3/ Vehicleswith passengers ... act as a group so each of them have that many actions but need to finish all their actions before next one is moved etc ... so it takes an action to stop the half track so it could move one or two then stop BUT it could not then let the passengers out and start again (just like figures can't split actions etc) - SO it could stop then the passengers have 3 actions to do what they want (like normal) - so yes they could dismount a short and then fire and even then get back in etc. You can leap off a moving vehicle - it is treated as a task (would depend on how fast the vehicle is going to what kind of task) - normally a difficult, failure would mean the figure was prone and unable to use any more actions.
4/ any moving shot from a vehicle would be at -2 normally ... grenade launcher would either make the quality of the firer worse by 2 if it was manpack OR be at -2 and treated as HE fire if it is a vehicle mount grenade launcher.

No worries