Leader Quality

[saxonmead]

When a Leader uses a Group action (Group, Regroup or Concentrated Fire), does he test against the target group's Quality (of the lowest rated figure) or their Quality adjusted (by 1) due to their being within Long range of the Leader?

[andrea sfiligoi]

None of the above. The leader uses his own Q. In SBH, leaders and groups move independently and the leader moves BEFORE the group and uses one of his actions to give a group order. You can't give a group order to yourself, and you can't activate a leader, use one of his actions to give the group order, activate the group and then go back to the leader. Giving a group order in SBH is the last thing a leader does.

[saxonmead]

Thanks, Andrea. So just to qualify by means of an example. My leader, Quality 3+, would use his last action to issue a CONCENTRATED FIRE order to the 3 men under his command (all within Long distance of him). He must roll 3 or more for the order to be successful and for them to make their combined attack against their target. They then roll their adjusted combat die.

Another quick question then. Has consideration been given to the Leader being able to use 2 actions to issue an AIMED CONCENTRATED FIRE?

Thanks for your help.

[mikez]

Feb 1, 2010 16:37:06 GMT 1 saxonmead said:

My leader, Quality 3+, would use his last action to issue a CONCENTRATED FIRE order to the 3 men under his command (all within Long distance of him). He must roll 3 or more for the order to be successful and for them to make their combined attack against their target.

No.

For group activations, you use the worst quality of the models in the group being activated.

Mike Z

[saxonmead]

Now I'm confused. Page 22 of MDRG backs up what Mike is saying yet this seems to be at variance with Andrea's advice. My original interpretation was that the leader tests against his own Q to activate the group and then the activated group roll 1, 2 or 3 die to see how many actions they'll actually be able to take (with the risk of turn over if they roll 2 or more failures). My question was do they test with an adjustment of 1 Q due to the Leader's proximity (within Long distance)?
But if Andrea is correct, then the Leader's successful "Group" action means that the group automatically has only 1 action...
Can someone post a play example to explain/help?

[charger3604bbl]

The leader would roll for activation, using its Quality. It would take any actions it would like to as normal. The last action the leader would take would be to issue a group order to 2-5 figures in base contact with each other. This ends the leader's activation.

The group of figures issued the group order would then roll for activation as normal, using the lowest Quality in the group as the entire group's Quality. As I understand they would get the Quality bonus for having a leader within Long.

Using those activations, the group would take it's actions in accordance with the rules for the selected group order.

Chris

[saxonmead]

Thanks, Chris. I'm clear with it now. And that's how we were playing it!

[andrea sfiligoi]

Saxonmead, replying to your question above:

aimed attacks cannot be done in concentrated fire. They are two different things.
In concentrated fire, a leader is telling to some or all of his men to fire NOW all aginst a single target to make sure they bring him dowm. In aimed fire, a single model is taking extra time to aim for a vital spot like a shot in the head or in an area of the body unprotected by armor.

[saxonmead]

Have bought Flying Lead and suddenly it's all clear! Thanks for all the help.