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Post by alanlockhart17 on Apr 9, 2010 10:21:57 GMT 1
I have a pile of GW LOTR figures which have not been played with for years due to disenchantment with the LOTR Rules. I have not even considered the latest big battle rules from GW as I am considering SAH.
Will SAH be able to cope with the large battles of Middle Earth and how will 28mm scale figures be based?
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Post by andrea sfiligoi on Apr 10, 2010 16:14:52 GMT 1
Put as many as you want on square trays. Four trays make a unit. Monsters, trolls etc are single based (on a square tray). Characters are single based but can be attached to a stand during the game. You'll need a large table to play in 28mm but it should work fine.
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Post by alanlockhart17 on Apr 11, 2010 13:12:48 GMT 1
Andrea,
Thanks for the information.
I was looking at using the movement trays from GW, and wondered if it was strictly necessary for the bases to be square, as opposed to rectangular, provided they all have the same frontage.
Are casualties dealt with by removal of bases from the unit, rather than individual figures?
Will combat and firing also be by bases: this would greatly spped up things.
How many units per side do you think the game will comfortably handle for an evening's game?
Alan
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Post by andrea sfiligoi on Apr 12, 2010 0:36:55 GMT 1
Combat is by UNIT not base; so you roll one combat die for every group of 4-6 stands. No figure removal is necessary. You remove a whole stand, not figures, when the unit takes damage.
Trays could be other shapes, I guess. But this needs to be tested. I don't know what kind of geometrical problems may arise by using non square bases.
The game works best with 15 to 30 stands, arranged in units of 4-6 bases each. But it's still in playtrest so the numbers may change. I'll post a batrep when I have a chance to take some pics.
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Post by alanlockhart17 on Apr 12, 2010 11:33:38 GMT 1
Andrea,
Will the game be able to handle the siege type battles such as Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith?
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Post by andrea sfiligoi on Apr 12, 2010 21:40:18 GMT 1
Well, sieges and attacks on camps/bases are in the rules, but the rules will n ot handle them in the way they are shown on LOTR photos, with single models climbing, bursting through doors etc. If you have ever seen a HOTT or DBA battle, it will look more something like that-- the fortress or stronghold is a scenic item, not the table itself. Siege is resolved with a C vs C roll of the assailant versus the stronghold, with several modifiers. It's not played out in minute details.
I have always found sieges rather static affairs; they can be part of a larger battle but not the focus of the battle.
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Post by alanlockhart17 on Apr 12, 2010 22:23:00 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information: I am looking forward to the rules coming out.
Alan
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Post by robur on Apr 14, 2010 20:19:23 GMT 1
I think you should consider SAH closer to GW's war of the ring than the skirmish game
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Post by andrea sfiligoi on Apr 15, 2010 0:23:47 GMT 1
Exactly; or even better, Warmaster or Battle of the Five Armies. It's epic in scale, you could see hundreds of models on the table on a large battle.
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Post by theswlion on Apr 15, 2010 18:16:51 GMT 1
GW is slooowww getting figures converted over to plastic from metal (from the SBG game).
Also, WotR expects you will have Legendary Formations and Battle Hosts built in your army, and they just don't the figures to support these, yet.
So, I'm hoping SAH will fill the gap.
I have a ton of stands for the WotR game, and was hoping they could be used in SAH. The stands are built for the round bases of the LotR figures. They aren't square, and the also have Cav bases for mounted figures that come 2 to a stand.
I hope you can work out the issues with the non square bases, so the WotR rectangle squares can be used.
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Post by alanlockhart17 on Apr 16, 2010 20:18:26 GMT 1
That is exactly what I am looking for: large battles, but playable to a resolution in a reasonable time.
I hope that SAH will be able to manage with the rectangular GW movement stands as they do seem quite good value.
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Post by andrea sfiligoi on Apr 30, 2010 14:47:46 GMT 1
I have seen the rectangular squares used here and I see no reason why SAH shouldn't work. I'll test them using some cardboard rectangles the next time I play (I have the WoR book so I can check sizes). My only concern is that the table needed is going to be huge, not anything I can set up at home or even at our smallish club, as you need around 4 stands to make up a unit, and you need at least 4-5 units to play a reasonable game (with less units there wouldn't be enough tactical options).
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